This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von

#661 - John Kiriakou

with John Kiriakou
5 Jun 2026 11 min read 2h 15m

The CIA fundamentally changed after 9/11—from an intelligence collection agency constrained by post-Watergate reforms into an assassination bureau. Kiriakou argues the Democratic Party's use of superdelegates deliberately suppresses populist candidates, mirroring how insider control corrupted institutions that once felt genuinely purposeful to those who served them.

Theo Von
“it used to feel hopeful and now it feels um it's will we survive? It feel there's something else. It's not a hope. I don't even know if it it's somewhat of a fear, but it's more of an uncertainty.”
Reflecting on how loss of faith in democratic institutions—typified by rigged primaries and superdelegates—has shifted American psychology from hope to fear
▶ 9:21
John Kiriakou
“Your memory is so good. You remember so many details that when I read the cables, I feel like I'm in the room watching it go down.”
Kiriakou recalls the compliment a station chief gave him after reading detailed operational cables he wrote from memory
▶ 11:22
John Kiriakou
“Do you see what a well-placed spy can do for you? That is strategy. It's that's the big leagues right there.”
Explaining how Stalin's spy in the White House learned FDR was sick and deliberately exhausted him at Yalta to weaken his negotiating position
▶ 14:35
John Kiriakou
“It's usually that they're a CIA operative first and then they get hired as a professor. What he did is illegal today.”
Describing how Dr. Gerald Post was a CIA officer undercover in academia—a practice made illegal by the 1993 Equal Employment Opportunity Act
▶ 17:58
John Kiriakou
“911 changed everything and it changed it permanently in a bunch of different ways. After 9/11, Bush is just like, just kill everybody you want.”
Explaining how Executive Order 12333 was amended post-9/11 to eliminate restrictions on assassination that had existed since the 1970s Church Committee
▶ 24:08
John Kiriakou is a former CIA officer turned author and speaker, best known for whistleblowing on the CIA's use of torture. He brings firsthand experience from decades in intelligence work, including time as a leadership analyst on Iraq and participation in counterterrorism operations. His new book, The Ultimate Guide to CIA Skills, Tactics, and Techniques, draws on his career trajectory from recruitment through field operations.
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Superdelegates were engineered to prevent populism After McGovern's 1972 loss, Democrats instituted superdelegates—roughly 1,500 party insiders who automatically become convention delegates. This system directly contradicts democratic voting: Bernie Sanders won West Virginia and Wyoming in 2016 but Clinton won literally every delegate from those states. Republicans have no equivalent system, which is why outsider candidates like Trump can win nominations.
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Geopolitical strategy operates across decades, not election cycles Kiriakou illustrates this with Stalin's pre-Yalta espionage: having a spy in the White House enabled Stalin to learn FDR was dying and deliberately schedule talks to exhaust him further. The U.S. operates on two- to four-year windows; adversaries plan generationally. This structural disadvantage compounds when institutions lose their sense of shared purpose.
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9/11 repealed Cold War restrictions on assassination Executive Order 12333 (1976) explicitly banned the CIA from conducting assassinations, a reform born from Church Committee revelations. Bush administration amended this post-9/11, creating offices like the Special Activities Division whose sole function was to deploy kill teams on rotating lists of targets. Intelligence collection stopped; the agency became a stateless execution apparatus.