SmartLess

"Bowen Yang"

with Bowen Yang
1 Jun 2026 9 min read 1h 18m

Bowen Yang's path to SNL wasn't a direct one—he chose a pre-med chemistry cover story while secretly pursuing comedy at NYU, got rejected from the traditional Just for Laughs pipeline, and only got cast after submitting a tape with no expectations, believing an effeminate Asian guy would never get hired. His breakthrough came from releasing that grip, and later, conversion therapy at 17 became unexpectedly meaningful bonding time with his father who didn't know how to relate to him otherwise.

Bowen Yang
“I was I was looking at colleges and I was like purely motivated by like what the comedy scenes were there.”
Explaining why he chose between Northwestern and NYU despite ostensibly being a pre-med chemistry student
▶ 15:37
Bowen Yang
“It wasn't that I wanted to be a doctor because I saw her. It was because one uh I wanted to maybe act and two because I was a gay man worshipping an actress's work.”
Clarifying that his Sandra Oh/Grey's Anatomy inspiration was about performance and gay fandom, not medicine
▶ 19:49
Bowen Yang
“They'll never ever [ __ ] hire an effeminate Asian guy like on that show. Like why would they ever need that?”
Describing his mindset when submitting his SNL audition tape, which freed him to be authentic
▶ 23:30
Bowen Yang
“The ultimatum was uh either you stay in state in Colorado, you go to Boulder, live with us or you can go to college with your sister if you go to conversion therapy. But the the punchline is my sister was at the gayest school in the country, NYU.”
Explaining the absurd bargain his parents offered at 17 after discovering his sexuality on the family computer
▶ 26:56
Bowen Yang
“it actually became like great bonding time cuz it was in Colorado Springs, 2-hour drive up and down to from Denver. My dad and I would like bond in the car and just like actually get to know each other for the first time as like adults or something.”
Reflecting on how the conversion therapy experience unexpectedly brought him and his father closer
▶ 27:17
SmartLess is an improvised comedy podcast hosted by Jason Bateman, Sean Hayes, and Will Arnett, who riff on pop culture, personal stories, and guest interviews with minimal preparation. The show is known for its chaotic energy, overlapping dialogue, and the hosts' willingness to interrupt each other and go off on tangents. Each episode features a celebrity guest and explores their career, background, and life philosophy through unscripted conversation.
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Low expectations unlock authentic creativity When Bowen submitted his SNL tape believing he had zero chance of being hired as an effeminate Asian man, he performed his most authentic material instead of trying to fit a mold. That perceived rejection became his greatest asset—he stopped gripping too tight and let his real voice through.
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Strategic ambiguity beats perfect credentials Bowen gained admission to prestigious comedy schools by hiding his real intention behind a 'respectable' major (pre-med chemistry). This allowed him to access the comedy pipeline at NYU while maintaining parental approval. The lesson: sometimes the fastest path forward isn't the most direct one.
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Traditional pipelines aren't destiny Bowen never made it to Just for Laughs, the established SNL talent funnel, yet still landed the show through an unsolicited tape submission. His unconventional entry point actually worked better because producers discovered him directly rather than through a crowded festival selection process.