Freakonomics Radio

The Vanishing Mr. Feynman (Update)

with Richard Feynman's closest friends and colleagues
29 May 2026 23 min read 58m

Richard Feynman, near the end of his life, abandoned his lifelong resistance to drugs and experimented with psilocybin and LSD at California's Esalen Institute, guided by three younger women who became his "spirit guides." His approach—radical curiosity combined with intellectual honesty and refusal to fool himself—remains a countermodel to today's polarized public discourse and declining trust in scientific expertise, where confident voices dominate regardless of actual knowledge.

Cheryl Halley
“I came here and I met Dick and I spent about 3 hours walking around Esalen getting to know him and sharing our personal stories and then at the end of that time I said, "Have you ever tried psilocybin mushrooms?" And he said, "No." And I asked, "Would you like to?" And he said, "Yes." So, that's the beginning of our story together.”
Describing the moment Feynman agreed to his first psychedelic experience in the early-to-mid 1980s
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Barbara Burg
“He had never done any drugs prior to that time because his mind was so precious to him and he didn't want to do anything to tamper with it. And so, he did confide to me that the reason he was willing to do it at this time was because he had already had surgery for cancer. He was going to be undergoing his second surgery. I think he knew that his time was coming.”
Explaining why Feynman overcame his decades-long refusal to experiment with drugs
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Barbara Burg
“I remember the LSD session. I thought it was so funny. He stared He was lying on the same couch staring at a banana for 3 hours. Quiet as could be. Debbie had trained him well.”
Recalling an anecdote from Feynman's LSD experience at Esalen
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Feynman
“If you want to do creative science, peace of mind is an essential feature.”
Feynman speaking to Stephen Wolfram about the conditions necessary for scientific breakthroughs
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Ralph Leighton
“I believe that science has remained irrelevant because we wait until somebody asks us questions, or until we are invited to give a speech on Einstein's theory to people who don't understand Newtonian mechanics. But we never are invited to give an attack on faith healing, or on astrology. I suggest, maybe incorrectly and perhaps wrongly, that we are too polite.”
Quoting Feynman's 1964 Galileo Symposium lecture on science's role in modern society
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This is the third and final episode in Freakonomics Radio's series on physicist Richard Feynman, exploring his life through interviews with those closest to him—including his lifelong friend Ralph Leighton, the three women who guided him through psychedelic experiences at Esalen, and fellow scientists who knew his work. The episode examines Feynman's relentless curiosity, his willingness to challenge assumptions, and his legacy as a model of scientific integrity—set against modern questions about whether society still values the kind of fearless inquiry he embodied.
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Feynman broke his own rules at life's edge For decades, Feynman refused all drug use to protect his mind. Only when facing mortality from cancer did he abandon this principle and experiment with psilocybin and LSD at Esalen. His willingness to question even his own foundational beliefs—when armed with new circumstances—models intellectual flexibility that pure rationalism alone cannot capture.
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Doubt is strength, not weakness Feynman's famous principle—"You must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool"—inverts how modern culture treats expertise. Certainty is rewarded; admission of ignorance is punished. Yet Feynman showed that uncertainty, doubt, and intellectual humility are prerequisites for rigorous thinking, not failures of it.
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Trust in science hinges on trust in people Helen Czerski argues the real crisis isn't doubting science's validity—people still want science on their side. The crisis is trusting the *people* doing science. Feynman's integrity, his insistence on limitation, and his willingness to say "I don't know" were what made his authority credible, not his titles alone.